What Your Thoughts on Israel Confict???

[Ben5150]

The question is ::: What is your thoughts on Israel and there action's that been taken place this week.?

[jjvh5150]

I like their style.As soon as a grenade or bomb goes off the tanks are rolling and the missiles are flying.They don't fuck around.

[MattWales]

The Free Masons!

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One day I will change everything!

[sphillaussie]

Israel don't mess around and they don't discriminate. The fighting though is very disproportionate. Israel have laser guided bombers, the others have second hand old Russian rifles...fair fight?

[candygram4mongo]

Israel don't mess around and they don't discriminate. The fighting though is very disproportionate. Israel have laser guided bombers, the others have second hand old Russian rifles...fair fight?

I would say the Isreali's do discriminate between combatants and civilians. Isreal doesn't just blow things up to acheive maximum body count. You don't see Isreal blowing up restaurants or taking over schools screaming "Moses is great". Not that they haven't killed civi's, but Hezbullah fires rockets out of residential districts so the retalliation is newsworthy on Al Jazera.

Fairness isn't part of the equation. What we have is a proxy war fought for wealth, territory and power. Iran an Syria sponsor religeous zealots to do their dirty work. Iran and Syria in turn get help from Russia and China (through North Korea). Everybody tries to kick our asses using someone else's shoes.

Most of the people here in The States have sympaty for the Palastinians plight. The Palastinians have become the modern day Jews. A people without a country. But the fight in the middle east isn't about the Palastinians. No one in the middle east wants the Palastinians in their countries or they would have just welcomed them with open arms. They are just the excuse to stir the passions of the masses to get them to do your bidding.

Isreali tactics have always been the use of overwealming harsh force. But what else can you do with those crazy neighbors. In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. In the time of random indiscriminate killing, the deliberate killer is compassionate.

p.s. I'm really proud of the "Everyone tries to kick our asses using someone else's shoes" line.

[TOM HALEN IIII]

Israel don't mess around and they don't discriminate. The fighting though is very disproportionate. Israel have laser guided bombers, the others have second hand old Russian rifles...fair fight?
I dont think that putting on a vest made of explosives and walking into a nightclub and blowing up 20 or 30 people is fighting fair. I also think the Jews are gonna continue to screw this world up. cant we rent them all housing in Alaska. Its like watching Sesame street when you were a kid. "one of these people dont belong here, one of these people arent the same"
At least these Jews fight and dont just march into ovens like cattle!
That whole region is the armpit of the world.

sorry to my Jewish friends

[candygram4mongo]

It never ceases to amaze me how often the words "middle east" and "armpit" occur in the same sentence. Bosnia is no Hawaii. The weather in Korea will never make it a vacation spot. It seems the worse the land, the more people want to fight over it. The next global hot spot will be Mississippi.

[MattWales]

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They need to just stop the hate.

If I could just get the world to listen to me for 15 mins, I could change everything.

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VanWalen

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[JM5150]

The phrase "let sleeping dogs lie" comes to mind, and unfortunately, many of the Islamic radicals are not familiar. Israel has become a military power and all of it's neighboring countries know this (hell, they're the reason that Israel has had to become a military power), yet for as intelligent as these "groups" (Hezbollah, etc) try to appear to the outside world, they can't leave well enough alone...

And for that, they are paying with the blood of their people.

Someone on a news show mentioned what if someone shot a rocket into an American city (say, from Canada). America would mobilize and pulverize and would defend the action. Why anyone would not acknowledge Israel's right of retaliation is beyond me.

[stcox]

If I could just get the world to listen to me for 15 mins, I could change everything.

Matt Wales


Indeed. It would certainly cause the largest mass suicide in history! :lol1:


Just messin' with ya Matt! :boink: :biggrin:

[MattWales]

Indeed. It would certainly cause the largest mass suicide in history! :lol1:

Just messin' with ya Matt! :biggrin:

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Jim Jones Style. Good one ST.

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VanWalen

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[JJVelez]

In my very humble opinion, I find Israel's strategy counter productive in the long run. It seems to me, the Lebanese govt has very little power to reign in Hezbollah. Much in the same respect the Palestinian govt couldn't do a lot regarding Hamas. Therefore, destroying the infrastructure or a country to punish a terrorist organization, further weakens that government's ability to do much about it.

This concept that any country that harbors terrorists is a terrorist nation should perhaps be re-evaluated. The United States harbored Timothy McVeigh... they also harbored AND trained all of the 9/11 attackers. That doesn't make it a terrorist nation.

It appears once you label a nation and / or govt with the "terrorist" tag, it becomes open season. An excuse to attack a country, punishing all of its citizens, many of them law abiding human beings, for the actions of a few.

I do not know what an alternative response could be. Perhaps, Israel, or better yet, the world (obviously not the US, but some independent nation) should aid the Lebanese directly, work side by side, to root out these factions. May sound utopic... but the refusal of any govt who lacks the resources to accept help regarding this matter could be regarded (by the world) as an acceptance of sponsoring terrorism... which would then merit a full scale attack.

One other thing... this whole thing appears to have been very carefully planned. The timing reaks of misdirection. It just so happens to coincide with the G8 summit in Russia, where the topic of Iran was to take center stage...

Could be Hezbollah planted the bait, and Israel bit on the hook.

[bottagetta]

Timothy McVeigh made no threats against the building he blew up and he never had history of being a radical, to my knowledge. So while he was a terrorist, he wasn't known to be one. To my knowledge, anyways..

Same for the 9/11 hijackers. My point being, harboring a known terrorist is the same as aiding and embedding.

[JJVelez]

That's very debatable considering the FBI was well aware that many men of middle eastern descent were taking flying lessons... and that Al Qaeda had plans on attacking the US using airplanes. I cannot recall right now if the President was briefed on this as well.

Nonetheless... this logic did not present an obstacle to the Bush Administration from labeling Iraq a terrorist country even though it had no concrete evidence that they were knowingly harboring terrorists. A fact which was later confirmed by the 9/11 Commission.

[stcox]

The United States harbored Timothy McVeigh... they also harbored AND trained all of the 9/11 attackers. That doesn't make it a terrorist nation.




No, it certainly doesn't make us a terrorist nation. The people in the examples you give attacked the United States, not another country, and I think are poor examples for your argument.

This country gave birth to Timothy McVeigh, and the ungrateful bastard grew up and bit the hand that had fed him and had given him the opportunity to do or be anything he wanted to be. He chose to be a murdering idiot. Fine. We sought and gained retribution.

This country did not give birth (to my knowledge) to any of the attackers of 9/11. No, all we did was give them the opportunity to come here with the same opportunity we give our own, to seek to do our be anything they wanted to be. They could have chosen to be pilots, chemists, anything in the world. Again, the ungrateful bastards bit the hand that fed them. They chose to be murdering idiots.

The ones that hijacked those planes are no longer with us. Therefore, we were left to seek retribution against the people that planned and ordered these murderers to carry out their mission.

Politics aside, I think on the whole that the U.S. is generally pretty cooperative with other countries when our citizens engage in an act of terrorism or criminal actions on foreign soil. Our politicians and talking heads may whine and bluster some, but we're generally cooperative.

And therein lies the key to the "harboring" terminology and I think Botta is correct on this. If a country has citizens or "visitors" that commit an act of war or engage in terrorist activities against another nation, and the "harboring" country doesn't cooperate or worse yet, doesn't take any steps on their own to bring these people to justice, then they are aiding and abetting terrorist activities and should expect to get their ass handed to them.

Israel has every right to retaliate go the direction they've gone. I know if I find a cockroach in my kitchen, I'm not just going to kill it and relax. I'm going to call Orkin, find every area those cockroaches can hide and breed, and eliminate every possibility I can that I'll never see another one in my house.

So JJVelez, nice post man. Your opinions have just as much merit as mine, Botta's or anyone elses. I just picked out the one part of your post that got my attention the most and took off from there.

Good thread here Ben. It's a nice switch from the Dave vs. Sammy crap.

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